I believe in the creator,   The creator Gave birth to many things,   such as Mother Earth,and all the stars and planets.    If one does not believe, than who holds the begining of the universe?                Astrology holds a pattern that affects the outcome of predicted patterns based  on climate and even the affects on the human spirit.     Astrology sets patterns that can be predicted and help us to avoid mistakes;  or make better decisions. It is not magick but a form of science. I would not put it in with a spiritual level of human activity.  I do see how it could affect the spirits,and not always for the better. Astrology is a topic for continued study..    Timbo.

My only son to return safely from Afganistan; and may he be surrounded by all his brothers and sisters of the service,.and they all return whole,and healthy for the holidays.  

      I have spoken to many people who want to down size where they live, Many are now willing to shed the life the now live and start new.  A smaller home of a couple hundred square feet and not a few thousand, add Solar for all electricity and thermal solar for heat and Air conditioning to live free from fossil fuel 100%.  Barter food and services with neighbors, Do you think this time has return?

Knowledge is to hold the answer, wisdom is knowing when to apply it.  Timb (Grey Wolf)